Voting in the future

Bl4ckGryph0n

lets be honest here its only on a few issues they differ, and some of them its just to try a different angle to get elected, the more entangled we have got with europe the less any of it matters anyway as they make our decisions for us.

Bl4ckGryph0n

I reckon we should start a Sharia Law for the UK party that has a manifesto promise of Leaving the EU without a Deal ...

nheather

It is ironic that it is less than a 100 years since women gained universal suffrage and now we in the position where it doesn't matter what you vote for as the establishment will not allow it unless they approve.

Back to feudal times..

SteakAndCake

I can appreciate the sentiment and frustration with it all, but seriously dude in reality sure that if they were the only party offering that it is not worth it? Is it?

The Netherlands actually went through this, there was a lot of support for exit. But it was only an idiot whose name I don't even want to mention that became the self declared leader for that. That quickly put an end to it. No matter how much I dislike the EU, that is a step too far.

aenimiac

And how would that help? I have no intention of stoning remainers , I'd like them to join in on the journey and constructively build the future which has so much potential.

nheather

MPs who may not welcome a General Election anytime soon.

These are MPs that voted 'remain' and represent constituencies that voted to leave.  In order of the magnitude of the leave vote, going from 76% at the top down to just over 50% at the bottom.  Some of these have supported the referendum result but many have opposed it.  The parties are the ones under which they were elected.

Nothing new, but seeing the list in the flesh makes you appreciate just how many constituents might feel betrayed.

Matt Warman (Conservative)
Karl Turner (Conservative)
Kate Smeeth (Labour)
Ed Miliband (Labour).
Brandon Lewis (Conservative)
David Winnick (Labour)
Rob Flello (Labour)
Michael Dugher (Labour)
Alan Meale (Labour)
Gloria De Piero (Labour)
Jon Cruddas (Labour)
Yvette Cooper (Labour)
John Healey (Labour)
Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative)
Ian Austin (Labour)
Angela Watkinson (Conservative)
Iain Wright (Labour)
Melanie Onn (Labour)
Victoria Atkins (Conservative)
Amanda Milling (Conservative)
Sarah Champion (Labour)
Wendy Morton. (Conservative)
Nic Dakin (Labour)
Adrian Bailey (Labour)
Caroline Flint (Labour)
Johnny Mercer (Conservative)
Dan Jarvis (Labour)
Tom Watson (Labour)
Alan Johnson (Labour)
Gordon Marsden (Labour)
Robert Halfon (Conservative)
Pat Mcfadden (Labour)
Anna Turley (Labour)
Emma Reynolds (Labour)
Jon Trickett (Labour)
Rosie Winterton (Labour)
Liz Truss (Conservative)
Julie Cooper (Labour)
James Morris (Conservative)
Kevin Barron (Labour)
Alex Cunningham (Labour)
Clive Betts (Labour)
Grahame Morris (Labour)
Graham Jones (Labour)
Gavin Williamson (Conservative)
Tom Blenkinsop (Labour)
David Evennett (Conservative)
Roger Moore: (Conservative)
Yvonne Fovargue (Labour)
Gareth Snell (Labour)
Andrew Griffiths (Conservative)
Nick Gibb (Conservative)
Margot James (Conservative)
Karen Bradley (Conservative)
Sharon Hodgson (Labour)
Marcus Jones (Conservative)
Bridget Phillipson (Labour)
Andy McDonald (Labour)
Tracey Crouch (Conservative)
Mark Spencer (Conservative)
Judith Cummins  (Labour)
Peter Aldous (Conservative)
Angela Rayner  (Labour)
Kelly Tolhurst (Conservative)
Andy Burnham (Labour)
Graham Allen (Labour)
Matthew Hancock (Conservative)
Maggie Throup (Conservative)
Mark Garnier (Conservative)
Yasmin Qureshi (Labour)
Charlie Elphicke (Conservative)
Lisa Nandy (Labour)
Emma Lewell-Buck (Labour)
Alan Mak (Conservative)
Mary Creagh (Labour)
Kevin Foster (Conservative)
James Brokenshire (Labour)
Jim McMahon (Labour)
Barbara Keeley (Labour)
Nick Smith (Labour)
Liz McInnes (Labour)
Caroline Dinenage (Labour)
Carolyn Harris (Labour)
Stephen Hepburn (Labour)
Stephen Hepburn (Labour)
Damien Collins (Conservative)
John Spellar (Labour)
Richard Burgeon (Labour)
Andrew Gwynne  (Labour)
Margaret Beckett  (Labour)
Robert Goodwill (Conservative)
Eric Pickles (Conservative)
Sue Hayman (Labour)
Nick Boles (Conservative)
Helen Goodman (Labour)
David Tredinnick (Conservative)
Nick Thomas-Symonds (Labour)
Holly Lynch (Labour)
Angela Smith (Labour)
John Stevenson (Conservative)
Jess Phillips (Labour)
George Freeman (Conservative)
Chris Bryant (Labour)
Jesse Norman (Conservative)
Heather Wheeler (Conservative)
Kevan Jones (Labour)
Michael Ellis (Conservative)
Stephen Kinnock (Labour)
Margaret Hodge (Labour)
Gill Furniss (Labour)
Susan Elan Jones (Labour)
Damian Green (Conservative)
Diana Johnson (Labour)
Tracy Brabin (Labour)
Mary Glindon (Labour)
Phil Wilson (Labour)
Nigel Huddleston (Conservative)
Jessica Morden (Labour)
Mark Pritchard (Conservative)
Richard Burden (Labour)
Toby Perkins (Labour)
Formerly Jamie Reed (Labour)
Trudy Harrison (Conservative)
David Mackintosh (Conservative)
Chris Evans (Labour Co-op)
Jake Berry (Conservative)
Chris Elmore (Labour)
Richard Graham (Conservative)
Graham Stuart (Conservative).
Helen Whately (Conservative)
Mark Pawsey (Conservative)
Jonathan Reynolds (Labour)
Jack Dromey (Labour)
Norman Lamb (Liberal Democrat)
Conor McGinn (Labour)
Geoffrey Robinson (Labour)
Gerald Jones (Labour)
Justin Madders (Labour)
Seema Malhotra (Labour)
John McDonnell (Labour)
David Morris (Conservative)
Alberto Costa (Conservative)
Caroline Spelman (Conservative)
David Crausby (Labour)
Jenny Chapman (Labour)
Andrew Selous (Conservative)
Helen Jones (Labour)
Mark Tami (Labour)
Simon Danczuk (Independent)
Mark Harper (Conservative)
Philip Dunne (Conservative)
Debbie Abrahams (Labour)
Edward Argar (Conservative)
Neil Parish (Conservative)
Colleen Fletcher (Labour)
James Wharton (Conservative)
Huw Merriman (Conservative)
Derek Twigg (Labour)
Ian C. Lucas (Labour)
Jeremy Lefroy (Conservative)
John Woodcock (Conservative)
John Penrose (Conservative)
Louise Haigh (Labour)
Paula Sherriff (Labour)
Chris Skidmore (Conservative)
Peter Heaton-Jones (Conservative)
Shailesh Vara (Conservative)
Catherine McKinnell (Labour)
Alec Shelbrooke (Conservative)
Lindsay Hoyle (Labour)
Clwyd (Labour)
Mark Menzies (Conservative)
Chloe Smith (Conservative)
Nia Griffith (Labour)
Seema Kennedy (Conservative)
Simon Hoare (Conservative)
Ben Gummer (Conservative)
Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative)
Vernon Coaker (Labour)
Ian Lavery (Labour)
Tom Brake (Liberal Democrat)
Ian Mearns (Labour)
Joseph Johnson (conservative)
David Anderson (Labour)
Marie Rimmer (Labour)
Sir Peter Bottomley (Conservative)
Kate Hollern (Labour)
Amber Rudd (Conservative)
Helen Grant (Conservative)
Robert Jenrick (Conservative)
Mark Hendrick (Labour)
Imran Hussain (Labour)
Kris Hopkins (Conservative)
Julie Elliot (Labour)
Sajid Javid (Conservative)
Stephen Crabb (Conservative)
Therese Coffey (Conservative)
Rory Stewart (Conservative)
Simon Hart (Conservative)
Wayne David (Labour)
Gary Streeter (Conservative)
Pat Glass (Labour)
Rosie Cooper (Labour)
Daniel Poulter (Conservative)
Peter Dowd (Labour)
Teresa Pearce (Labour)
Gavin Shuker (Labour)
Ivan Lewis (Labour)
David Hanson (Labour)
Rob Marris (Labour)
Mims Davies (Conservative)
Amanda Solloway (Conservative)
Sam Gyimah (Conservative)
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Julian Knight (Conservative)
Khalid Mahmood (Labour)
Keith Simpson (Conservative)
Keith Vaz (Conservative)
Fiona Mactaggart (Labour)
Michael Fallon (Conservative)
James Cartlidge (Conservative)
Christina Rees (Labour)
Jo Churchill (Conservative)
Sarah Wollaston (Conservatives)
Sir Alan Duncan (Conservatives)
Tobias Ellwood (Conservatives)
Tim Loughton (Conservatives)
Robin Walker (Conservative)
Paul Flynn (Labour)
James Heappey (Conservatives)
Maria Miller (Conservatives)
Eilidh Whiteford (SNP)
He voted against Article 50.
Devizes
Leave vote: 53.5%
MP: Claire Perry (Conservative)
Jonathan Djanogly (Conservative)
Alistair Burt (Conservative)
Wes Streeting (Labour)
Rachel Reeves (Labour)
Philip Lee (Conservative)
Jonathan Edwards (Plaid Cymru)
Julian Smith (Conservative)
Rebecca Pow (Conservatives)
Tom Tugendhat (Conservative)
Grant Shapps (Conservative)
Rebecca Long-Bailey (Labour)
Nusrat Ghani (Conservative)
Alun Cairns(Conservative)
Harriett Baldwin (Conservative)
Anna Soubry (Conservative)
Angela Eagle (Labor)
Pauline Latham (Conservative)
Clive Efford (Labour)
Sir Edward Garnier (Conservative)
George Howarth (Labour)
Guto Bebb (Conservative)
Luke Hall (Conservative)
Steve Rotheram (Labour)
Antoinette Sandbach (Conservative)
Cat Smith (Labour)
George Hollingbery (Conservative)
Barry Sheerman (Labour)
David Lidington (Conservative)
Robert Buckland (Conservative)
Michelle Donelan (Conservative)
Alok Sharma (Conservative)
Craig Whittaker (Conservative)
Sir Oliver Heald (Conservative)
Oliver Colvile (Conservative)
Paul Monaghan (Scottish National Party)
Sir Alan Haselhurst (Conservative)
Patrick Mcloughlin (Conservative)
Richard Harringotn (Conservative)
David Mowat (Conservative)
Oliver Letwin (Conservative)
Albert Owens (Labour)
Mel Stride (Conservative)
Oliver Dowden (Conservative)
Liz Kendall (Labour)
Liam Byrne (Labour)
Andrew Tyrie (Conservatives)
Simon Burns (Conservative)
Graham Evans (Conservative)
Hugo Swire (Conservative)
Jim Cunningham (Labour)
Victoria Prentis (Conservative)
David Warburton (Conservative)
Madeleine Moon (Labour)
Nicky Morgan (Conservative)
Jason McCartney (Conservative)


Cheers,

Nigel

SteakAndCake

"Betrayal"?

If these profession politicians believe an action or direction is harmful to the country, their primary responsibility is in their loyalty to their belief and their country, not some insane Tory power play.

Throwing words around like, "betrayal", is one small step from , "traitor", and we've already seen where rhetoric like that takes us.

nheather

Interesting list. My MP is on there and, as far as I am aware, has never voted in Parliament to remain.

He doesn't hide the fact that he would prefer to remain but he has been open and honest and said that he understands that the will of the people was to leave and that he will try his best to make sure that we leave with a good deal.

Similarly, there are two other local MPs on the list that I know have voted to leave but with a good deal.

Quite how that equates to a "remain stance" is beyond me.

Which means the list has been put together by someone with an agenda and is, at best, inaccurate.

aenimiac

Accepted, but thepeople who voted them in will see it as a betrayal - if the MPs think they are wholly justified in not representing the wishes of their constituents then they have nothing to fear when the next election comes round.

And don't forget that a lot of these, like Yvette Cooper (70% Leave) lied in her campaigning for the 2017 GE.  She knew that 70% of the constiuents voted to leave so during the campaign she was very vocal in stating that she would respect the leave vote and would not oppose it.  Those lies lasted until the polling stations closed.  I think her constituents will see that as betrayal.

Cheers,

Nigel

nheather

Did she lie?  The problem going all the way back to 2016 is that nobody knew in what final form Brexit would take.  Everybody has a different idea.

Not everybody can or will support every flavour of Brexit.  My guess is that Cooper (like many other MPs), tried to support it until it reached a point where it became a fully formed reality (May's Deal), and at that point, stopped supporting it.

Following your logic, you could argue that every MP voting against May's deal betrayed their constituents, but as you know, even the hardcore Brextieers did because it was not their accepted flavour of Brexit.

Will Rees Mogg get voted out for betraying the cause too?