Diabetic prepared to die for Brexit

Bl4ckGryph0n

Whats the reasons for shortages while we're still in the EU?

LM1405

I'll ask again, we've had shortages of medicines for years and before Brexit while still in the EU. What's the reason?

IG we've had shortages of different medicines for years before Brexit, so I call it bullsh*t.

Bl4ckGryph0n

I think the shortages are real, the link to Brexit particularly is bullsh*t. As you said those happen all the time. And sure they may get a little bit worse, but not materially so. Undoubtedly that won't stop predominately some of those who want to remain in the EU blaming Brexit for it.

kav

Whether you accept stockpiling ahead of a no deal Brexit as a valid reason or not doesn't make a difference, we just had someone mention that they spoke to someone in the field who is affected by it and aside from the anecdotal info, it's supported by what happened ahead of the March deadline, so hardly that unbelievable.

IronGiant

Of course not, but that doesn't prove the current ones aren't.  There's only anecdotal evidence that they are, but I don't think it's unreasonable to "think they may" be.

Bl4ckGryph0n

What is likely, in my opinion, knowing that there is a shortage is a fact by such person. Attributing a reason or cause to it would have been a subjective addition.

Bl4ckGryph0n

I'm not so certain. After all, we are coming toward that season for these particular drugs. And there is historic evidence that this actually happens regularly. As I said, Brexit will have a part to play and may increase the levels a little, but the base level of shortages was always there anyway.

kav

I'd reframe that comment somewhat. In my experience many of those who voted Remain (myself included) tend towards being more risk averse than those who voted Leave. (I even make my living from risk management.)

I accept that the UK is leaving the EU, so at this point how I voted is irrelevant. However what hasn't changed is my perspective around the challenges of actually doing it. Fundamentally a lot of the arguments I see are predicated on different understandings and perspectives of risk, and a lot of what I read is not supported by solid reasoning, it's supported because people want it to be true. Thus you get anyone recommending a more cautious position on any given topic being shouted down as supporting Project Fear and that sort of thing, which completely prevents any kind of meaningful discussion.

kav

Yes it's definitely subjective but doesn't seem completely unbelievable. And as I said, it's supported by the historical evidence from 6 months ago when industry stockpiled ahead of the March deadline, so there is some precedent.

Bigfingers

Brexit and uncertainty are two different things, often leading to confusion.