Sep 19: Want A Brexit Deal? -Tell Your MP

Bl4ckGryph0n

The member may have removed it. I don't use the mobile phone version, but I gather it is or was easy to hit the angry button by mistake.

Cliff

OK, fair comments. There have been disputes around fishing with the French and Iceland in the past. Of course I don't know all the ins and outs of the WA or the Backstop, I'm just putting my trust in the Government and the EU. And there is still the question of what happens if we No Deal? That is still not going to be easy in all areas and the French/Icelanders won't be any easier on us with regard to fishing disputes, in fact they are likely to be tougher. This is my point about trust. If there's no trust between countries they won't have a good relationship, trading or otherwise. Cheers.

Goooner

How will the French and Icelanders be harder on us?

It's international law - we have exclusive rights to exploit the waters 200 miles from our coastline. (With it being the middle point for things like the channel where our 200 miles and that of France clash).

And as I'm repeat for the last time, there can be no trust when the French are threatening to abuse agreements that we would enter in good faith.

CommonSense

I don’t disagree about the trust elements. However when there is a contract that describes alternative arrangements than those will take precedent in the unfortunate event of a dispute. As such all parties involved should always be aware of such matters and protect themselves for such events. Hopefully it is never to be used, however if it is then the contract is the version of the truth. That is why I would have a problem with it.

CommonSense

Why do you trust the EU and our government’s ‘Olly Robbins’ team? The EU want what is best for them. What we ended up with is a rather bad WA. It was rejected by all sides in Parliament- because it was not in the UK’s best interests. That deal, as it stands is dead. Put simply, the EU takes control over much of our destiny during the transition period. They could keep us in the EU...  

If we submitted to the WA, and the EU realised they had us over a barrel, would you expect them to give us a favourable trade deal? What about the single market and open borders? What would the EU demand from us? No, May’s deal as it stands should be dropped.

A new approach is necessary. And I am afraid to say, trusting the EU to give us a nice deal is just a fantasy. They are playing hardball and we need to up our game.

CommonSense

The trouble is, our current parliament won’t let us play hardball, having no deal off the table and knowing we have to ask for an extension, why would the EU offer us anything?

Bl4ckGryph0n

You misunderstood. Trust has nothing to do with anything when there are agreements involved. The agreement take precedence over any kind of trust that may or may not be there. It’s an irrelevance.

Cliff

Any deal, if it is still ‘live’ , has to be something both parties can work on. We can’t because it has been rejected by Parliament. So it’s dead.
I, hope that the paperwork of the old deal can be resurrected and it can be changed so that it is a good deal for both sides. But I just don’t think Labour, the SNP, or the LibDems would want to agree any deal that the Government gets, no matter how good. Do you?

Make no mistake, no deal is bad news for the EU and the UK. But both sides might see sense, and a deal that is win win might come out of it.

CommonSense

I think we have different views about whether or not the Withdrawal Agreement is dead and I won't say anymore on that.
I think your statement about Labour, SNP and LibDems is a bit generalised - I don't think they all have the exact same approach. However it is true that very many of them have voted tactically for No Deal and those tactics have failed and they are taking a big risk with our future. From what I have seen and heard the LibDems are openly campaigning to remain in the EU and this is outright defiance of the people's democratic mandate to leave the EU. I haven't heard much about Labour recently but I understand that they are campaigning for a referendum after a general election, though Jeremy Corbyn said he won't actively campaign one way or the other in such a referendum. This in my opinion shows he's weakening. As for the SNP, while the Government is trying to keep the country united (ie keep Northern Ireland 100% with the Mainland), the SNP is still banging on about Scottish independence so they can have their own way with EU membership. It's all pie in the sky which can not be achieved by 31/10/19. All the noise they are all making is just clutching at straws or downright self-interestedness and the Government is not fooled at all (though some Conservative rebels might be).
I hear today that Boris Johnson is formulating a new plan for the Irish Border and that he will give the EU an ultimatum deadline before 31/10/19. I support Boris Johnson if he's being genuine but I can't help thinking that his approach is flawed and I don't think this latest attempt has much chance. I think everyone has to see sense in this matter, but most of all Parliament. The future of our country rests with just approximately 650 MPs coming to their senses.

CommonSense

But there is no agreement, is there? There is a proposal but it doesn't become an agreement until ratified by both sides. The trust required is that the proposed agreement is fair. If the Withdrawal Agreement was ratified and either said then breaks it then there should be redress through an international court.