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 Author| 25-11-2019 21:52:34 Mobile | Show all posts
A pragmatic way to deal with the issue.
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25-11-2019 21:52:34 Mobile | Show all posts
born in Scotland live in Scotland and I am british
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25-11-2019 21:52:35 Mobile | Show all posts
Lower cast british
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So that's what you think of the Scots?
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25-11-2019 21:52:35 Mobile | Show all posts
Are there any flags flying in Scotland that has red on them?
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25-11-2019 21:52:35 Mobile | Show all posts
Top 10 Healthcare
https://www.internationalinsurance.com/news/healthiest-countries-to-live-in.php;
FranceItalySan MarinoAndorraMaltaSingaporeSpainOmanAustriaJapanNot say the UK is good just it's better than the poor rap it gets  and Scotlands extra money does  give better service IMHO. Most politicians ignore this.

If I needed a Coronary angiography (a test that uses dye and special X-rays to show the insides of coronary arteries in India it would cost around £170 and in the £2000. So shipping everyone to India for the day would save £1000 for this operation.

And no before you say UK healthcare it's not better than India private healthcare. The latter have some thing highest rated in the world.

My point is the total lack of value for money the current NHS system delivers. We way have some of the most committed health care professionals in the world, but the system is broken.

And MPs saying the spend more money on it are simply delusional.
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25-11-2019 21:52:35 Mobile | Show all posts
If you where paying attention the poster says he’s British not Scottish
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25-11-2019 21:52:36 Mobile | Show all posts
As with your previous points the facts/figures just don't back that up that point up.
Super high Council Tax in Scotland - figures show it is lower than EnglandNo top class Scottish NHS hospitals - 1 of the 10 UK listed top hospitals in the world is in Scotland. 10% of the total for the UK 'best' hospitals.The same source (private medical insurance site) you give for your list also gives another one showing different results. https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/
UK number 1 in Countries with the Best Health Care Systems in the World with one of the lowest expenditures per capita of $3,405. Only New Zealand which was ranked 7th was lower at $3,182 per capita.



The UK spends less on healthcare as a percentage of GDP than many EU-15 and G7 countries but at the same time has higher metrics for results. It is also shown that between 1980 and 2008 the UK spent less as a percentage of GDP than any of the other countries listed (apart for a couple of years where New Zealand spending dropped below the UK).
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/sites/default/files/documents/___media_files_publications_fund_report_2017_jul_pdf_schneider_mirror_mirror_exhibits.pdf

The top-ranked countries overall are the United Kingdom, Australia, and the Netherlands. In general, the U.K. achieves superior performance compared to other countries in all areas except Health Care Outcomes, where it ranks 10th despite experiencing the fastest reduction in deaths amenable to health care in the past decade.
Mirror, Mirror 2017: International Comparison Reflects Flaws and Opportunities for Better U.S. Health Care

Public and private health spending as a percentage of national income across the EU-15 and G7 countries, 2015



As for your fly patients to India to do coronary angiography, it incurs CO2 and would take much more time per patient than your "shipping everyone to India for the day". 1 day flight to India, 1 day for test, 2 days to be fit to fly, 1 day for flight back to UK. Up to 5 days elapsed vs a morning or afternoon procedure in the UK for coronary angiography.
If you don't need any further procedures, such as balloon angioplasty, cardiac catheterisation and coronary angiography should take about half an hour.
How they're performed

The general guidance regarding fitness to fly is as follows: After an angiogram or routine angioplasty, you may be able to fly after 2 days.
After a Coronary Angiogram or Angioplasty Procedure – Discharge Information for Patients | Hull University Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust

Your £2,000 is the cost of a coronary angiography in a private UK hospital, not an NHS one.
Coronary angiography | Cardiac treatments | HCA Healthcare UK - Self Pay Treatments | Official Site
so I would expect the cost for this to the NHS would be far less. Economies of scale, not having to make a profit etc.

As the NHS has facilities for coronary angiography, your so called costs saving wouldn't exist. NHS costs are notional (already 'paid' for) vs real extra costs for the procedure in India and real costs for flights and accomodation. Risks of serious complications for this procedure are 1 in a 1,000, so for every one thousand patients going to India, one patient can be expected to require further treatment in India resulting from the procedure. But as the UK NHS does not pay for emergency treatment abroad it's debateable if they would in this situation.

Obviously for a patient wishing to pay privately for this procedure, the cost for it going to India could be less than getting it done privately in the UK as long as they have insurance or the money to pay for a risk of having to have further medical attention in India as a result.
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25-11-2019 21:52:36 Mobile | Show all posts
I gave you a list and the reference to the list and no UK in it. Regarding NHS staggering high coasts an example is;

"The angiogram is £1,300 in the NHS, and the private clinic scanner is £900 and we're negotiating to bring the figure down to £600."
Private clinic proves cheaper for NHS patients

Around £600 in India too.

I not really suggesting we ship everyone to India, but the NHS should cost less. Proper investment and use of services is what needed. Spend a night at A.E. and take notes.
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25-11-2019 21:52:37 Mobile | Show all posts
Untrue.

We spend above the EU15 and OECD average.

Spending on health: how does the UK compare internationally?
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