krish Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:39

I almost puked at Dave's McJoke.

Not sure that school children themselves are the best authority on academisation, as used by JC at PMQs.

alan280170 Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:40

So the teachers did there jobs.

I have a friend, both parents Professors in something or another, always was a lively debate round at there house, god knows what went on at parents night.

paul_warren Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:41

Wrong thread.

krish Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:43

How is lazily fabricating the same old criticism doing their jobs? My parents just pulled apart their claims leaving them red-faced (I was sitting a few feet away). The teachers that did their jobs had no problems (including valid criticism of my work/behaviour - my parents weren't there to blow smoke up my arse)

Ruperts slippers Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:44

Who cares what the teachers said, I got the same nonsense, easily distracted, lack of drive etc, etc... Then you leave school and enter the real world, which is a lot more interesting...

krish Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:45

that's all true, but it's not a big ask
- teachers stop lying and do your job

Pecker Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:45

Gents, this really has nothing to do with the teacher shortage crisis.

I'll just add that, speaking as a teacher, I go not recognise a lot of what is being said.

Want to know the sort of things driving teachers out of the profession?

Workload: Teachers spend longer administering tests than analysing the results

Steve W

EarthRod Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:46

I'm guessing, but the teacher in a typical classroom targets the 90% of children in the middle, the children remaining (10%) are exceptional, much brighter or much slower, tend to get missed.

I bet you're were in the upper echelon at school Krish, one of the 10%, and the teaching methods didn't cater to your needs. My best friend at school was very clever and regularly achieved 80% or above marks on his examination results, and he managed that without swotting or paying much attention to the teacher.

Pecker Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:47

Pupils suffer as school leaders are forced to abandon lessons to stand in for heads

Pecker Publish time 26-11-2019 02:03:48

If you think teaching now is anything like the '80s...it's a different world.

You're talking of a time before NC Levels (which have now gone, to be replaced by...?), before league tables, before value added progress measures, before a national curriculum, before OFSTED, before academisation, before termly lesson observations and work scrutiny, and before 'deep marking'.

When I started teaching in '94 my first Head of Year told me that he'd been teaching since 1980, and that he was doing 4 times the paperwork then to when he started.Well, in the last 22 years thee have been far greater changes.

Did the teachers in 1980 have it easy?Quite probably.But that, and your experiences in the '80s, has got absolutely nothing at all to do with the education system today.

I hesitate to use terms like 'having a chip on your shoulder', and I'm sensitive to the fact that people only get one chance in education, and may quite rightly feel bitter about their experiences.But you should try to understand that things have changed.

The governments own figures show the extent of the crisis.Last year more teachers left schools in the UK to work abroad than qualified to teach through the PGCE route.And that's just those going abroad; it doesn't include those retiring or leaving for other professions in the UK.

Steve W
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