springtide Publish time 26-11-2019 01:49:59

She said that anti-Semitism that has become “embedded” in the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, adding that it has become more socially acceptable to "make a crack" at a dinner party about Jews.

I think in the UK it is more probable that "a crack about" Muslims is more likely.

krish Publish time 26-11-2019 01:50:00

Certainly with all the twits creaming themselves over Ooooh Tommeh Tommeh, Tommeh Tommeh Tommeh Tommeh Robinson

rancidpunk Publish time 26-11-2019 01:50:01

When you look at the 'accepted' Jewish definition of anti-Semitism it really is ridiculous. Don't agree with Zionism? Anti-semitic. Ask a Jewish person to condemn actions of the Israeli state? Anti-semitic. Accuse a non Israeli Jew of putting the state of Israel before their own country? Anti-semitic.

Unfortunately hate is hate, and various things in the past few years have allowed the voice to get louder of those who hate anything different to them. It's not a party political thing, or a left right thing, just morons who hate for no reason, but the partisans just jump on this as confirmation bias of their own ridiculous views.

justincase Publish time 26-11-2019 01:50:02

Think it's more probable that a crack is made about a neighbour or relative around the dinner tabledata:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
not sure what goes on at dinner parties though data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

rancidpunk Publish time 26-11-2019 01:50:02

Glad you found my post funny @robel

Positive ratings are always a good thing, even from those breaking the forum rules using them to dismiss someone's view with no ability to discuss it reasonably themselves.

IronGiant Publish time 26-11-2019 01:50:03

I took it rather more that he found your post ironic.

rancidpunk Publish time 26-11-2019 01:50:04

No irony. There's hypocrisy in what determines something as anti-semitic compared to other forms of hate though. Especially when some try to use it as a weapon to score political points.
Hate is hate, unfortunately it's impact is lessened when the definition is stretched beyond the boundaries of anything anywhere near to genuine hatred, be that based on religion, colour or the country you happened to be born in.

IronGiant Publish time 26-11-2019 01:50:04

Rather than keep telling us examples of things of things that you don't consider anti-Semitic, how about discussing things that are, and whether they are on the increase?.
As an example: Let's start with violent attacks on Parisian Jews, on the increase or not?

rancidpunk Publish time 26-11-2019 01:50:05

I only gave examples once, replying directly to skull n bones own post.
Apologies, I mistakenly thought discussion should encompass a wide range of views.

If you're asking a question of available facts though then yes, it would certainly seem that violent attacks on Parisian Jews have increased, amongst an overall rise in genuine reported anti-Semitism.

Will make for a short discussion thread if that's all we're doing though.

springtide Publish time 26-11-2019 01:50:06

I think hate crime is rising in general.
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