Over by there Publish time 25-11-2019 22:17:11

Not sure what the latest figures for DIY are but they were a lot higher than car deaths. Ban Drills I say, make everyone hire in an approved bodger.

nabby Publish time 25-11-2019 22:17:12

And there's the knee jerk reaction.Who's said 15mph, except you?

Speed is not the overall mitigating factor (for all accidents), but those three areas I picked out all involve speed.Even if you take out "Careless, reckless or in a hurry" that leaves almost 30% as having speed as the main factor.

I worked as a driving instructor and I don't claim to know the solution. However, I believe that anything that removes risk factors or gives drivers more information is a good thing.Driving is distracting enough (even when you remove fellow passengers, dogs, radio/music, phones).It's one reason why motorways are safer - far less information to process as a driver.

Ruperts slippers Publish time 25-11-2019 22:17:13

I'm pretty sure it's obvious what you're implying. Your stat analysis and conclusions lead down a pathos argument too.

nabby Publish time 25-11-2019 22:17:14

There's no implication, it's explicit.If you don't see the difference between making people drive at 15mph (not what I said, implicitly or explicitly) and driving at 15mph (quite common in the part of the country I live in) then I can't do much more.

If I had wanted to say I believe in a 15mph limit I'd have said so. But I don't and I didn't so I didn't.

What makes you disagree with what you've quoted from me and placed in bold?

Greg Hook Publish time 25-11-2019 22:17:14

Speed doesn't kill. Inappropriate speed kills.

Driving at 70mph on a motorway in thick fog, or snowy conditions or very heavy rain is incredibly dangerous. 70mph isn't a speed to be reached in all conditions.

Driving at 20mph past a school with a load of kids crossing the road could also be dangerous if you aren't paying attention.

The problem is people don't drive for the conditions, they seem to drive looking just a few feet in front of them.

ashenfie Publish time 25-11-2019 22:17:15

I think if you take out perdestian deaths out the figures are dramically lower.

In fact car related death has drop by about a 3rd since I last looked around 10 years ago.

So i can only conclude its about making urban area safer. The solution not slower. It better roads and separating people from cars.

Over by there Publish time 25-11-2019 22:17:16

Motorcycles seem to be the blip in figure as well. When I go out on some roads on the weekend, there are certainly a fair few around and at the usual bacon butty stops, many a grey beard. I would say hair but many a shiny top under the bone dome. Which begs the question, motorbikes as well for the limiter/blackbox/other kit? I suppose they will have to.

scarty16 Publish time 25-11-2019 22:17:17

No problems -
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