I know they haven’t come up with anything to confirm yet.The reason I have asked the question, is that I agree with you, that the confirmatory vote comes into play once parliament have agreed on a way to leave but then asks the public “are you okay with this approach, yes or no”.
So if/when TM and JC rush through some bloody awful Frankenstein approach which is the TM deal with customs union bolted on, just so they don’t have to go through the European Elections, Labour in particular seem keen that the public should be asked to go with it or not.
I started this thread because that doesn't make much sense to me so asking what you guys think.These are some issues I have with it
(1) waste of money and time because there is a very high probability that a true confirmatory vote to any leave deal will come back as a ‘NO’.Because there are 48% of people who will say NO because they don’t want to leave at all.And of the 52% there will be some that don’t like that method of leaving.
(2) there isn’t time.If TM and JC want to rush something through to stop the European Elections, there isn’t time for them to do that and arrange a nationwide vote.
(3) I hear a lot of people, including MPs that are interpreting any confirmatory vote as “do you want this or do you want to remain”.That is not how I read the definition of the confirmatory vote but I worry that this could be used to set up a loaded biassed question.
(4) I also think that what most of the MPs really want is to agree that we should revoke article 50 and put that to a confirmatory vote which would essentially re-running the referendum but with the question reversed.I’m convinced that they would live to do this, but it depends on if either the conservatives or labour have the guts to declare themselves as undemocratic risking their future.I’m sure that many of the more stupid MPs are thinking that by putting it to the people to confirm would cancel out any non-constitutional behaviour on their part but whether the party leaders will take the risk is another matter.
Cheers,
Nigel
If it's that (deal or remain), then its not confirmatory, imo.
We've already voted to leave, so, if it's confirmation that they want, it's a simple choice between how we leave.Deal (sellout) or no deal (leave).
Anything else is Referendum No 2 (to try a result that the establishment like (EU style)).
Think we are agreeing.A confirmatory vote, as it has been defined in Parliament, is not actually useful.It isn’t a choice between options, it si a “we would like to go with this, can we or not”.Total waste if time and money in my opinion, for reasons I have already given, because for any leave deal the answer will in all probability be NO.
Cheers,
Nigel
They don’t grow on trees!
As I understand it the main difference between a Confirmatory Vote (CV) and the previous referendum is that Parliament would not need to debate what to do after the CV as it would be decided, in two different forms, beforehand with legislation ready drawn-up and ready to enact. The CV result would then trigger which piece of legislation was enacted automatically.
The previous referendum was only advisory with MPs making final decision, or not in this case so far. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
As I see it, and allowing people to have the opportunity to change their mind from before, we could have a two part question with a stipulation that both parts be answered as a requirement for a valid vote along the lines of:
1. Do you want to leave or remain in the EU?
2. If leaving do you prefer for the current Withdrawal Agreement (May's deal) or No Deal?
The result would then be enacted in law and we would move-on .... unless someone launches a legal case disputing the need for the first part of the question as that had already been answered previously or Farage calls for a best of three. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
I find it amazing that, despite all that has happened, anyone would think that the current House of Commons would ever agree to 'no deal' being put on a ballot paper.
Hi mate
The obvious issue with doing it this way is you will have people who wish to leave but are dead against no deal and would rather remain in that scenario, likewise you could have some who want no deal and can't really see the point in Mays deal as it is basically remain without any say in what's going on.
But the rest I agree with, whatever gets decided then parliament will run with, no more negotiations and arguments
Cheers
The amazing thing is how people misrepresent no deal. It only means no withdrawal deal. There will still be arrangements made, as the EU have confirmed.
Plus we need to review whether it's going as people expected. And what does remain look like anyway? Some people might want to join the euro, Schengen or the EU army.
So referendums every two years?
So if there was a referendum, you are happy for no deal to continue to be misrepresented?
I guess so long as it makes your preferred answer more likely you won't care.