Still haven't done anything about the 8 track, I should have called into Andertons on Thursday as I went past the end of their road, but I wanted to get home before the traffic built up.
I have set up a stripped down version of my TD30 kit, just the snare, bass drum and high hat. At least it means I can have a play and it's surprising how only having the three 'instruments' makes you more inventive with the playing.
Back to guitars I had a play with my Line 6 the other night and focused on the Fender amp settings to try to get a feel for whether I'd like a 'real' Deluxe Reverb. I managed to get some decent clean tones out of it, but not as rich as a real Fender (Twin, but it was many years ago and perhaps rose tinted glasses). The distortion tones still sound a bit 'fake' (apart from the real OTT ones such a Solendo (spelling?) setting that is pure filth, but you can't hear what I'm playing.
Then I saw that 10 year old kid on TFIFriday playing his LP through a little Marshall 1974X amp...looked great, not too big and it would fit in the living room in place of the Line 6. Then I checked the price. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
So I went back to a DIY site I've looked on and found their version of the classic 18 watt Marshall in a kit (I'm an electronics engineer) for £260. They have a guy who makes beautiful cabinets and heads, so I could chose any colour I like (probably just the standard black though I reckon). The cabs are around £220 or so, which means around £500 plus whatever speaker I go for.
Considering I was thinking of buying theMarshall 1974X cabinet (speaker) only version from Andertons (then maybe a pair of heads to use with it) and that is about £500 anyway, then I think the DIY version might be a good option.
Nothing stopping me from adding a Fender style head later for an alternate clean sound into the same speaker (I'll just add an extra jack socket to plug into the internal speaker and to disconnect it from the build in 18 watt amp).
This is the DIY page for the 18 watt Plexi:
Amp Maker: Guitar amp kits and parts :: Guitar amp kits :: P1800 plexi amp
This is the page for the cabinet:
Classic combo (SE-5a, PP-18, SL-18, PP-36)
Not sure what speaker would be most suitable, but Thomann have Celestion G12M 'Greenbacks' for £90 which is a pretty common speaker and 25 watts, so should suit the 18 watts 'Plexi' output if I did crank it right up. Same speakers as fitted to the 'Bluesbreaker' reissue combo too. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
Of course it could all change by tomorrow, but it might be the answer to my 50th birthday treat. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
Haha, two finds in one night...
I wasn't looking for another guitar (honestly, you've seen my posts about just getting on with playing and practice more), but I came across this advert for a Gibson LP Melody Maker that has P90s (the only pickup combo I don't have) and a slick pared down look with no pick guard. Unfortunately I don't think I could get one now (suspect the advert is a teaser to get you to call) and the nearest new version is the 2016 60s Tribute, but I don't like the cream plastic bits (and it's 50% more expensive too).
If anyone comes across a shop with one in (or a good used one), please let me know,particularly the charcoal colour:
Gibson LP Melody Maker 2014 Charcoal Gray Satin - Rich Tone Music
Cool, wish I could build an amp...heck wish I could just repair one as my JCM is not well.
You could always pick up a Marshall MG or a Valvestate and replace the electronics. I've bought both for under 75 quid in decent condition, a 30w you could probably get for under 50 but 10" speaker.
Well worth playing a real deluxe, my line 6 is nothing like the real thing. The Fender X2 doesn't do a bad job though.
Yes I will have to try the real thing, just to make sure. If I went the self build route then there is nothing stopping me adding a DIY Deluxe style head to plug into the speaker of the 'Plexi' amp either. I did think about a 'gutted' secondhand amp, but TBH whatever new amp I get is going to be in my living room, so I don't mind paying a little extra for a really nice cabinet.
If I play a real Deluxe and find that it's really what I'm after in terms of a clean sound, then I'd have to see how my pedals sound through it for the dirty tones and/or build an attenuator so I can crank it up at home. I suppose I could build the Plexi head and use it with the Deluxe's speaker, as I think I could make up some kind of switch box that wouldn't mean modifying the Deluxe.
I think I must have had too much wine last night as I was dreaming about playing a melody maker. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
I managed to fit in a couple of visits to guitar shops today on my way back from a job. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7 I tried out a Gibson Melody Maker 2014 model with P90s and also (for reference) an Epiphone LP into a Fender Deluxe 68 Custom. I liked the extra bite the P90s had, but wasn't keen on the neck of the MM (I was later told it would be more like a 50s LP). I also tried a hollowbody Telecaster with P90s, but this was too bassy and again I wasn't keen on the neck (a flatter radius than my Strat or Tele as they are 'vintage' 7.25" radius).
I wasn't mad about the Fender amp either...probably hearesy to say, but I didn't think it sounded much different to my Line 6 Flextone when I've set it up on a Deluxe mode. This was the '68 version which is supposed to distort more readily, however the distortion isn't a master volume type, so it needs to be cranked up for that which wouldn't really be practical for home use. They didn't have the Gibson LP 60s Tribute in stock yet, so I left my details so they could contact me when they get them in, so I left feeling a little disappointed.
I was going to drive home, but since I was in Farnham it wasn't much further to drive to Andertons in Guildford. I had a really good look around at all the guitars and amps, then managed to get a free 'booth' so I took a road worn 50s Strat in and tried the Fender Deluxe 65 model (Blackface) and the VoxAC10 (as someone whisked away the AC15 I'd been intending to try just as I started talking to the sale guy).
This time I was playing a more familiar guitar (though it still felt odd compared to my own Strat), but the Deluxe still just didn't do it for me: I was hoping for a similar rich, but clear/sparkly tone that I remember from when I played through a Blackface Twin reverb many years ago, but it must be rose tinted ears(!) or something as it wasn't how I remember at all. It was actually quite 'hollow' sounding, with too much mid scoop for my taste.
The little AC10 was quite a surprise. All valve, quite small but much warmer sounding than the Deluxe, yet with plenty of treble depending on where I set the tone controls. The benefit with the Vox being that it has a gain control and a master volume, so I could get some crunchy sounds from it. The controls seemed a bit abrupt though, especially the master volume, so it was hard to get the level just right.
By then the AC15 had reappeared, so I had a go with that and did some more back and forth against the Deluxe (which by then must have been feeling a bit sorry for itself as I just didn't like it data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7). The AC15 has more options with the treble cut control on the master section to trim off the excess top end as required (or not). I could get some nice clean tones out of it (wasn't keen on the reverb, but I have a separate EHX Cathedral pedal anyway), plenty of volume too, so it was barely ticking over in the little 'booth' (sorry to the guy in the next booth along as I think I was drowning him out at times data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7). However, again the clean tones didn't seem much better than I can get from the Line 6 (which I confirmed when I got home, while it was all fresh in my mind).
Trying the AC15 with a bit more gain and as soon as I hit a power chord it was a instant 'wow' moment. There was a hint of Brian May's tone (of course he doesn't usually play a Strat, but it wasn't far off) and backing off the guitar's volume cleaned it up and just gave a nice crunch tone.
So it seems that I'm searching for a clean tone that I already have in the Line 6. //static.avforums.com/styles/avf/smilies/facepalm.gif Though I tried the AC15 setting (and read the instructions to make sure I understood how the settings worked) and it sounded pretty similar clean until I used any gain, then it fell apart. I'm slowly realising that maybe I should focus on an amp that does the distortion tones better...
Now I'm wondering if that 18 watt kit is the thing to aim for, but I won't know until it's built then it's too late if I'm wrong. Used kit amps probably don't sell very well either. The other thought is perhaps to get a Vox cabinet with the same Celestion G12 in it as the AC15, then perhaps a Vox Night Train head (the 15 watt version since the small ones have gone now) and then maybe some kind of Marshall head or something else that gives Marshall style overdrive. I did see the handwired Marshall 18 watt 1974X combo and it looked gorgeous, but at £1,700 I couldn't justify the spend. I do wonder if it would cover the clean and the distorted tones though...
I think it was a worthwhile outing as it's cleared up a few thoughts: I saw the 60s Tribute at Andertons and didn't like the look of it, so another guitar is off the menu now. Instead I think I'll fit a P90 to my Affinity Tele and keep it since it's not worth much if I sold it anyway and modding it won't devalue it further.
Instead I'll focus more on the amp side. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
I've had a good listen to various Vox Youtube clips to try to work out the differences between the combos and the Night Train heads. Though it's hard to tell even through my AV set up as so much depends on the guitar used and the player of course, but I think I still prefer the AC15. I also compared some of the Marshall combos to see what I'd get in terms of more crunchy and more fully distorted tones, but I suspect part of what I like about that sound is the 4 x 12 cabinet which I can't accommodate.
I also found an immaculate looking AC15 Hand wired in the cream tolex, local to me for £700, which is a good saving on new (where you can still find one £1100 is typical). Wasn't planning on getting the amp before Christmas/my birthday, but it's a private sale so I might have to jump the gun if temptation gets the better of me. That means I won't have the option of getting a cabinet and adding a second head (was thinking Vox Night Train 15-G2 and some kind of Marshall with a 1 or 2 x 12 greenback cab). Maybe I'll have enough options with the AC15 and my various pedals as well (Big Muff, Tube Screamer and ancient Fuzz), plus the four different guitars/pickups (LP, Strat, Tele and the second Tele with the P90 conversion).
PS: I restrung the white 50s Classic Tele with 9s and reset it all up, lowered the action and adjusted the truss rod slightly and polished the frets. It plays beautifully now and had a great sound tonight when I took it to college. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
I played through an AC15 when I bought my LP, very impressed. Sounded great to my ears, then I handed it to the sales guy and it just blew me away. He showed my how to go from clean to heavy crunch by using the volumes on the guitar alone, something I was unaware of. Lots of tones in that amp.
Never heard one with single coils but the AC15 sounds terrific with humbuckers.
There's a few You tube videos around comparing the AC15 to different amps (and even an AC15C1 against the handwired one), some of them use Gibsons and they sounded great, so I know what you mean. The Strat has that lovely 'chimey' sound (think Hank Marvin) when clean, but I could get a passable Brain May sound with the gain up and various 'jangly' Kinks type tones in between too.
If I bought the used amp, then I'd have a bit left over for that new 32 track recorder I saw recently, so that's even more tempting to go used rather than some of the more expensive new options I was looking at.
I've managed to strike lucky on the Black Friday deals at Absolute Music. //static.avforums.com/styles/avf/smilies/clap.gif I'd been considering the bigger 15 watt Vox Night Train head after a second hand 2 watt Vox 'Lil Night Train head arrived damaged earlier this week. Good job I waited as they knocked an ex display one down from £350 to £260 in the Black Friday sale. I nearly bought it the night the 2 watt turned up damaged, to save £50 off the usual new price. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
Vox NT15H-G2 Night Train 15W Valve Guitar Amp Head| Absolute Music
Tomorrow I'm going out to try a 1watt Marshall limited edition head and also theMarshall DSL15 head for comparison. Absolute Music are also doing the DSL15 head for £221 down from the usual £399, if they still have them left by tomorrow.
Search results for: 'Marshall DSL15H 15W Valve Amp Head' | Absolute Music
I think that would be a nice pair of 15 watt heads to use; Vox for the Strat/Tele mostly clean/slightly dirty tones and the Marshall for the Les Paul (Epi w/humbuckers and the 50s Tribute w/P90s). data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
The plan then is to get a Celestion 'Greenback' speaker and fit it to my Line 6 combo just to use it as a cabinet for the heads for now (the Line 6 amp goes 'dull' sounding after a few minutes of playing). Then consider my options once we redecorate/change round the living room next spring: I might put all my AV front speakers and subs into a 'baffle wall' so I could put any old ugly 2 x12 or even 4 x 12 behind the baffle wall as well and just have the head(s) visible.
If that doesn't work out and the new cabinet will be on show, then I'll probably get a custom one built up in a Marshall 'Bluesbreaker' style and add a second 'Greenback' to make it a 2 x 12. Then maybe make a more compact 1 x 12 that I can take out to gigs/rehearsals with.
I spent nearly 3 hours at Guitar Guitar today trying different heads (including the Vox 2 watt head). Hearing them through a decent cabinet (Orange with a V30 in it) really helped; the Vox sounded much better than it had through the Blackstar's speaker too. I'll have to get a decent cabinet sorted out at some point.
I ended up with the Marshall JMP1-H 1 watt, as I just felt it sounded better for my style/guitars than the DSL15 head. I actually did like the clean tone of the DSL, but the classic gain channel didn't seem to have enough crunch for my liking and the high gain channel was just too fizzy for my taste.
Big surprise was the Orange DT30 dual Terror; I thought it had a great clean tone and the 'fat channel' made some nice crunch tones, through to pretty saturated ones. It only has a simple 'tone' control on each channel, but if the basic sound is that good, then what more do you need? I mostly focussed on the 'Tiny Terror' channel (thinking that it would be like the Tiny Terror amp which they didn't have in stock), but I was told that it does sound different (more bottom end) so would be worth try a TT at some point to add to my Vox and Marshall pair of heads.
At least my old Line 6 Flextone is doing service as a speaker cabinet, but it doesn't sound as good as the Orange cab with the Celestion V30 in it.
Off to the studio tomorrow to meet up with a friend and we're going to try the JMP-1 into the 4 x 12 cab there just for fun.