Which brands/models have VA panels?

AlanX

I think I've got this right ...
VA panels have better blacks but a more restricted viewing angle
IPS panels have a wider viewing angle but not-so-good blacks (so more suitable for a bright room?).
Am I right?

I'll be viewing from a well-defined centre-stage position in a room with controlled (dimmable) lighting, so it looks like my situation favours VA panels.
How do know, at a glance, which brands and models use VA and which use IPS? Do you only really know when you get the thing home and go through the menus? Has anyone put together a crib sheet on this Forum?
Thanks for any help.

c__w

Generally;

LG are all IPS (as they make their own anels for their own TVs)
Samsung are all VA (as they make VA panelsbut also outsource from other manus)
Sony and Panasonic use mixture

In also uses, some VA panels have better angles than others, like IPS panels have better blacks than other but worse viewing angles too. No idea why someone can't just put this to bed after 10  years of LCD TVs and make a panel that will do everything to a satisfactory degree (though IMO, the SAMSUNG panel in my HU7500 does).

When I bought my last LCD TV in 2009, one of the big selling points was panel response time, this meant how quick the panel could change picutre and thus less ghosting/blur. This seems to have disappeared amongst made up Hz ratings and Smart TV functions.

desinho

At a glance, passive 3D models use an IPS panel the majority of times ... (the LG 39LB650 actually uses a VA panel similar to the 42 inch Sony W8 models; it is a size they do not produce themselves. If not for the price it would actually make an interesting small WebOS model )

AlanX

Now even more confused! So, c__w, there's no clear distinction when choosing one over the other for a particular viewing condition. Also I thought LG and Sony went for IPS, but you, desinho, say they use IPS in at least some of their models.
Here is what I had understood:

VA advantages
Better blacksBetter contrastVA disadvantages
Black crushing when viewed on-axisNarrower viewing angleSlower response than IPSIPS advantages
Wider viewing angleBetter colour accuracyFaster response than VAIPS disadvantages
Poorer blacksVA proponents: Samsung
IPS proponents: LG, Sony, Panasonic

My viewing conditions may not be typical, but are:
Relatively good on-axis viewing - less than 20 degreesDim and controlled lighting - not fighting the sunshineNo gamingSo, from my understanding, a VA panel will generally be better for me (if I ignore black crushing) than IPS, as black level is more important than wide viewing angle, and response times relatively unimportant.
A lot of what I've found on the web has been somewhat out of date, and also talks of so many variants to both VA and IPS technologies that it's hard to work out what actually appears in current products. It looks like it's been a bit of cat and mouse, as each tries to outdo the other.

It would great if someone could validate, or please correct, my pros and cons lists above, and say what technologies appear in current offerings. I know that's asking a lot, but I, and many others I'm sure, would be so grateful when it helps to choose the right technology/brand/model for their own particular viewing and/or gaming requirements.

If the simple answer is "It's all a lottery", then it would help to know that too!

DavidT

Interestingly Samsung and Sony in general get very good reviews for picture quality despite using different types of panel so I think its the hardware and software behind the panel that also has an effect. I have an LG with an IPS panel from 4 years ago which at the time I thought was very good picture quality wise but my new Samsung is a big improvement in all the key areas except viewing angle.

EDIT: On the subject of gaming I dont think there is anything in the input lag theory, my son has a Samsung in his bedroom with a VA panel and he wiped the floor with me when I was on the LG, now I have a Samsung he still wipes the floor with me. So the IPS panel didnt help me!

AlanX

DavidT, it would be so useful to know which Samsung model you now have, and its screen size. I get the impression that performance characteristics can vary according to screen size even within the same model line.

DavidT

I have a UE55H6400.

DavidT

If you have the time there is a thread on AVS regarding Samsung panels.

Samsung Panel Version Thread - AVS Forum

c__w

The lag is more from the picture processing rather than the actual panel type itself. Panel response times may vary but probably not enough to affect overall.

AlanX

DavidT, I'm looking at the 65H6400, but not sure whether to be swayed to the 65HU7500 (not that I need 4K, but it gets very good reports). Whether its worth an extra £1200 is highly debatable, especially if the 6400 is pretty good already.
Incidentally, the most recent post on that AVS thread was nearly five years ago. A lot of water under the bridge since then ... !
The question that never seems to get answered, directly, in reports and reviews, is how the panel performs in a controlled lighting environment. In my case I don't need a panel with zillions of cd/sqm (for which I guess I'm in the minority), but I also don't want grey misty blacks in my darkened room.