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26-11-2019 04:11:55 Mobile | Show all posts |Read mode
To me Solar Hydrogen seems to tick all the boxes for a future never ending supply of clean renewable energy .
Have a read through this.
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It is worth reading all of it there are some very interesting facts if you are interested in clean renewable future energy alternatives .
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 Author| 26-11-2019 04:11:56 Mobile | Show all posts
This recent discovery could be a massive step forward on the road towards a solar hydrogen powered society .

Rust !

BBC News - Rust promises hydrogen power boost
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26-11-2019 04:11:57 Mobile | Show all posts
The problem, for me, with pv solar panels is all the kit that is associated with them, that is necessary to get the slight power generated into the grid.  Its not the panels themselves that make the technology inefficient, but the extras.  So, anything that simplifies the process has to be welcomed.  

If hydrogen can be generated directly and stored locally for use later, either in a vehicle or to generate heat and power for your home when you actually need it, that has to be a huge step forward compared to the current system.
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 Author| 26-11-2019 04:11:58 Mobile | Show all posts
I totally agree , a system that uses solar panels to split water in to hydrogen and oxygen then store the hydrogen for later use when needed would be much more efficient .

The person in the link below has done just this,  but the system is far too complicated and bulky for general use in a UK home .
With some investment and development this prototype has massive future potential .
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 Author| 26-11-2019 04:11:58 Mobile | Show all posts
This ZEEP24 solar hydrogen unit is very interesting for houses with smaller solar panel installations .
It is a small relatively compact unit that stores solar hydrogen energy in an alloy that is more efficient that using batteries .

ZEEP24 powers your house with hydrogen produced using solar power | Chips | Geek.com
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26-11-2019 04:11:59 Mobile | Show all posts
Interesting.  
The maths with the article certainly doesn't add up, and if all you want out is electricity then its a bit weak.

But if you could store safely a more serious amount of hydrogen and use it for electricity and heat in winter, you could possibly make a really serious dent in your energy bills.

My problems with PV cells at the moment are basically

they produce small quantities of electricity when electricity is needed least (ie in full sun in the summer, mostly)  They don't contribute to any reduction in capacity because France, for example, still needs to produce in the region of 110 GW in the early evening of December weekends.  PV cells don't contribute to this.  And if you have capacity to generate large quantities of electricity, it makes no economic sense not to use it.

I pay, through my bills, so that electricity (that I can buy unlimited quantities of at 10 cts/KWh) is purchased at sometimes 40 cts per KWh.

Over the entire life of the system, I seriously doubt the efficiency.  When the panels, all the kit and all the rest are taken into account, is the pay back in electricity significantly greater than the energy input to get the system fabricated and installed and kept operational?

My main objection is that the money and effort expended would almost certainly be better used increasing insulation, and installing energy efficient kit, which would actually result in a lower electricity consumption and thus could facilitate a reduction in capacity.  You then take this ability and close the least efficient/most polluting power plants.  That's the way to do it!
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26-11-2019 04:12:00 Mobile | Show all posts
Yes purely from the point of view "are PV systems efficient"....no way from the gov's point of view. But for me the feed in tariff makes it more than viable, I am pleased to see they have introduced the new tariffs for ground source and air source heating. Ground source especially gives the heat when it's needed ie in the winter (not sure on the efficiency of air source in the winter).
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26-11-2019 04:12:01 Mobile | Show all posts
I have PV solar panels, and can agree that as a medium for generating cost effective electricity they are pretty woeful. As a medium for generating tax free cash from all of our energy bills they are highly effective

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26-11-2019 04:12:02 Mobile | Show all posts
A lot of unfounded assumptions with no references.
Solar powered biofuels are much better, particularly in terms of energy density.
It is going to be a while before fuel cells run efficiently on biodiesel but good progress is being made.
THAT combination will really make a difference.
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26-11-2019 04:12:03 Mobile | Show all posts
Which are the unfounded assumptions?

Solar powered biofuels?  Do you mean corn and sunflower oil?
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