Shooting at Parliament

choddo

No one got in the building.

swall101

Yeah real funny especially as people have been killed and badly injured.

Sonic67

Black humour can help you cope with bad situations. Or that's what I've found.

Sonic67

PiperCub

I think we can see your arguments choddo.

If I'm not mistaken you are saying that the decisions taken by religious radicals who kill our citizens and are angry and radicalised, regardless of our governments foreign policy decisions and the rights and wrongs of these decisions, mean that if citizens we don't all stand up and be strong against the decisions our government take which can have negative consequences for people abroad, that by virtue we normalise and make it acceptable for our own citizens to blow up fellow citizens or stab them. Or as you put it in a different way 'you'll never stop people doing this'. We bloody well will!

That's a terrible position to have presumably as a uk citizen and if I'm reading you correctly it's what choudhary was saying.

brianashley123

You might have to re think that one .Some will think you are been racist !

PiperCub

No but the policeman who was shot was at front parliament entrance. He may not have got in but got further than the car, that was my point. Also the guy with the beard was alive and eyes open. If you are shot 4 times with a heckler and Koch mp5, per 4 gun shots heard, you wouldn't be on a stretcher but very much brown bread.

brianashley123

Wrong .Firstly it probably was not a MP5 , they are too old and the Met  wants rid of them. secondly the ammo type used by the met is not going to do major Damage unless a direct main organ or head shot etc . people have survived  a lot more  than 4 shots .

choddo

Started well. My point is this; if you use military force, as the US certainly did and we made mistakes too, inevitably, to pursue your national interests there is a good chance that you will kill innocent people or otherwise alienate people against your cause, especially if it is as questionable as WMDs. You then you have to accept and manage the risk that those people will try to hit back. We've done about as well in using intelligence and security methods as we could have hoped for, while still having an open democracy.

So tell me, how do you plan to "bloody well will" 100% stop it?

PC1975

Please don't presume to speak on behalf of others as you certainly don't do so for me.

I must have missed that, could you kindly elaborate specifically what you mean?