doug56hl Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:30

Who are these others.? Do they work as Radiologists or other medical professionals?
Are the British Medical Association and Royal College of Radiologists saying it is Project Fear? It's No Deal Brexit that is the concern.

doug56hl Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:31

Yeah. Half life of 6 hours, what sort of rubbish is that? Everybody knows that radioactive materials will last for millions of year. And hasn't the UK got its own reactors and Sellafield.
We don't actually need to import any. It's just Project Fear.
We probably don't actually use any either. It's just Project Fear.

DeLemming is standing on the cliff edge contemplating flying out and taking in the view of the sunny uplands. If a bird can do it, so can I. Am I not more postive thinking than a bird.?
Bystander: you're going to die.

DeLemming: Mere Project Fear. I'm not falling for that. By the power of postive thinking I can do anything.
Bystander: But you will be falling. To your death.

DeLemming: Mere project Fear. Join me, the view of the sunny uplands will be wonderful.
Bystander: Right. Just give me a few seconds to get my phone ready so I can stick the video on Youtube.

DeLemming: Repeats his mantra By the power of positive thinking I can do anything. Steps off the cliif and on the way down to getting his skull smashed out on the rocks below just has time to go Oh Shi........

Bystander: One born every minute. Sells the video to TV for a tidy sum. Shortly afterwards opens up a DeLemming Power of Postive Thinking flying school on the clifftop and quickly is able to retire on the proceeds from the One Born Every Minute TV franchise rights.

I'm a sucker for falling from stuff from the BMA, the Royal College of Radiologists and the Lancet. Because, like, you know, they is experts. But I'm not standing on the edge of a cliff...
Overcome how exactly? By the power of positive thinking?

Did you stop to think why we don't already produce it ourselves? and why the reactors in Europe produce 60% of the world supply?
Why the USA, which consumes about half of the world’s supply of Mo-99, has had no domestic (i.e., U.S.-based) production of this isotope since the late 1980s? but instead imports from Europe, Australia and South Africa? Or why Canada, a previous exporter to the USA with 20% of the worlds production shut down it's facilities in 2018?.

Who do you think is going to invest in a research reactor to produce these isotopes for the UK? How much is that going to cost?

There are new methods to make the stuff being developed but they are not quick and easy off the shelf solutions. which will be available in the weeks before a possible No Deal brexit or the months afterwards either.This is the state of one of the new production facilities in May 2019.

https://www.avforums.com/data/attachments/1128/1128099-8e4931a3bda2efcd1a75bb1dd63a5c49.jpg

A breaking the ground ceremony. Their plant won't be producing before mid 2021 at the earliest and even then will not produce enough to fully meet USA requirements. None for the UK there then...

doug56hl Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:32

ROFLMAO Why are you so worked up? They produce for 60% of the world, yet following Brexit you seem to think that they can't deliver to the UK, their neighbouring country, anymore. Let's have a reality check here...

psikey Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:33

Needs to read this book: 'Falling from a Cliff Edge' by Ilene Dover.

psikey Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:43

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Bl4ckGryph0n Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:44

Ok. So please explain how the 60% of the world that Europe supplies get usable doses, while we just over the channel will not be able to.

And yet, the USA which is a much longer journey away from the UK doesn't produce its own supply and finds it more economic to import from Europe?

Why does 60% of the world, most of which is much further away than we are, find it economic to buy from Europe if delay is so expensive?

LM1405 Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:45

I can't prove something that will not happen... Just take a deep breath, and look at this situation objectively. 60% goes around the world... When we will be outside the EU we'd be the nearest of those around the world. It will only a problem when people want to make it a problem. Sure, as I've said before, there will be some changes. Nothing wrong with that, deal with it and move on.

Sonic67 Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:46

How about you provide proof there will be an impact. We already have shortages and we're in the EU would you care to explain this?

ashenfie Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:47

Note, half life is when it is at half the radioactivity. It doesn't mean it is no longer radioactive.

Again if you put this stuff on a truck now, one contra flow now can delay your journey.

Again, if we can lay on flights to bring people back from around the world at short notice due to the collapse with Thomas Cook why couldn't we fly medicine if we had to? Aren't medicines a higher priority than stranded holiday makers?

As a final note, a few years ago, myself and others were involved on a tasking in Kazakhstan. No flights were available, no military flights and no available civvy flights. So an aircraft was chartered to make the flight. We had one large civilian aircraft to ourselves. Best flight I'd ever been on. It wasnt just having three seats to yourself it was those in front and behind you as well. Food was great too. Had three meals on the journey.

doug56hl Publish time 25-11-2019 22:03:48

I don't believe we get much Insulin from within the EU as most of it come from the US and other countries. So being outside the Eu maybe it will be cheaper if we get a good US trade deal.

As for shortages will they not going to stop supply, just the cost go up. The bigger issue for me is that all the medical staff we get from the EU will no longer want to be in the UK.
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