Panasonic HC-V800 stuttery 24p video

casperry85

Hi,

I have just bought this camcorder but noticed that 24p video is stuttery and not pleasant to watch. When I pan or move with the camcorder the video has a noticeable staccato effect (if I'm using this term correctly). I have set the shutter speed to 1/48 and do slow pans but it hasn't helped to make videos appear more fluid. Objects jump from one position to next and it's like watching pictures stitched together which is painful to my eyes. When there's not a lot of movement the video looks fine. Any ideas?

stearman65

Take a look here 24p - Wikipedia & here 4K Camcorder HC-V800 | HD Camcorder | Panasonic UK & Ireland 24p is for wide angle mode only.

casperry85

My previous camcorder was from Canon and although I understand that 24p can produce a choppy motion, it wasn't pronounced on it and it produced fluid 24p video. Perhaps there are certain settings enabled in my camcorder that are not optimal for 24p?

Terfyn

Just to quote from Wickipedia:-
In general, 24 frames-per-second video has more trouble with fast camera motion than other, higher frame rates, sometimes showing a "strobe" or "choppy" motion.

Clearly it is a problem with 24p and not a camera fault.

casperry85

I'd like to think so too but it doesn't explain why my old canon produced fluid 24p video. I'm not doing any fast pans or motion but the choppiness is too jarring. I'll take more sample shots later, maybe filming objects with straight edges made the effect more noticeable.

Terfyn

How are you viewing the output from the 800? I tried a number of shots at 24p on my 800 and could not see any stuttering on the camera's LCD.

Silly question maybe:- Do you have the latest edition of the firmware 1.1 ?

casperry85

It's on 1.1. I watched it on my tv and computer. The effect is fairly minor and may not bother most people, especially if you don't point it out to them, they may not even see it. But it's distracting and makes video appear somewhat unnatural. I watched some videos filmed on a 10 year old canon and it didn't exhibit this effect at 24fps. Pleasant and smooth picture just like what film produces. Frames transitioned effortlessly even when filming moving objects. I filmed some cars and pedestrians today and moving objects don't move fluidly. It's as if they have no motion blur to them and individual frames are being displayed super quickly but I'm filming at 1/48 and can see motion blur when I pause the video. My mind inserts a ticking sound when this occurs and it's quite annoying. Even worse when watching on a big screen, it tires me in a similar way like fluorescent lights do. I know modern cameras do loads of extra image processing and was wondering if this has anything to do with that. Maybe disabling some features would help.

sound idea

You may find the video recorded on the old Canon was 25i rather than the 25p you will be getting from your modern Panasonic. IIRC Canons of a certain vintage used to record 25 frames per second footage in the PSF - Progressive Segmented Frame(check out Wikipedia) - format. That is to say each frame had two fields recorded at the same time rather than at 1/50 second intervals of conventional interlaced video.

Perhaps your viewing device interprets this 25i footage in a smoother fashion than pure 25p footage.

Might be worth checking out.

Hope this is helpful.