Rebellion in Hong Kong

Trollslayer

And you have the CCP taking over the South China Sea including destroying reefs that smaller countries there rely on for fishing, a significant part of their food supply.

SteakAndCake

Where that analogy falls apart is that the Hong Kong protesters aren't intending to kill anyone. They don't want violence and they're not targeting civilians in a country 3000 miles away from their beef.  They're fighting with the security forces and Beijing funded gangsters for something that those controlling these forces are in a position to deliver.  Nobody in the Twin Towers could pull troops out of the Middle East.    Hong Kong protesters are applying an appropriate and reasonable levels of direct protest considering what's at stake.  The protesters have killed nobody except themselves with 8 suicides.

SteakAndCake

Out of interest, where is the line for you?  Were British troops justified to fight in WWI, the Falklands? Was America right to go to war with Britain over taxation without representation?  What's the point when violence becomes acceptable to you or do you believe that in all situations, the weaker party should immediately surrender to the stronger one to avoid bloodshed?

pcfchung

'Hong Kong protesters are applying an appropriate and reasonable levels of direct protest considering what's at stake.' Really?  
                                                                https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10157692711811214        There are other clips showing them beating other citizens up too, some are elderly people.

pcfchung

I grew up in Hong Kong and would love nothing more than seeing the city maintaining its own identity and freedom, but this is not the way to go.

SteakAndCake

What is?

pcfchung

Just my two cents-

I don’t have a good answer, but I think it is vitally important for Hong Kong to fight for the extension of the One country, Two systems lease. Otherwise, whatever you gain will disappear in 28 years’ time.

Since Hong Kong independence is not likely to happen, the second-best thing is to maintain Hong Kong’s current status. I know a lot of people think that the Chinese government are interfering, and one country two system is not working….but I can assure you that the alternative could be worse.  You want one country on system?

You think the Chinese government would even consider extending the lease now after the current events? I worry that by fighting for more, Hong Kong might lose what people still have.

Sorry I can’t really offer any solution but destroying the city like that will not get us anywhere.

I spent my childhood in colonial Hong Kong and have been living in London and San Francisco for the last 30  years. In my experience, Hong Kong people didn’t have more freedom before 1997. Let’s not pretend that there was any democracy when the Brits were there.

The problems young people are facing now are not unique to Hong Kong. For one thing, most people in London or the bay area cannot afford to buy their flats anyway. Things are not perfect in Hong Kong but really, the situation is not so desperate that young people have to risk their lives and the city’s future for it.

You have made your point already with all the protests. Let’s stop the violence first. If the government can withdraw the extradition bill they can give in to more demands from the people. Pick your battle please.

keydude

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Trollslayer

The start of extradition was the trigger though.
Do you really expect anyone taken ot the mainland will be seen again?