Bl4ckGryph0n Publish time 26-11-2019 00:43:56

I don’t think many would disagree that an orderly withdrawal with an agreement that describes the approach is the preferred way. However there are a few significant issues with the agreement that is on the table which significantly swings the risks involved with it such that the “deal” is actually a bad deal. If negotiations can be reopened to rectify such points then I’m sure it would be the preferred approach.

For just under a year there has been a deadlock where reportedly one side is not willing to further refine the draft agreement.

I hope that deadlock can be broken. But just kicking it in the long grass with extensions is in my opinion not the way forward. And there comes a point that when parties can’t agree it may have to bewithout such an agreement.

Aka no deal is better than a bad deal.

Liquid101 Publish time 26-11-2019 00:43:56

The only way to break the deadlock is to have another referendum. There’s a good chance that an election would just end in another hung parliament.

Another referendum will force parliament to make a decision. The May Deal or No Deal.

Surely nobody can argue with that?

Bl4ckGryph0n Publish time 26-11-2019 00:43:57

I disagree, so yes I can argue with that data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

This is not a referendum choice. An alternative agreement and negotiations need to be opened first.

Goooner Publish time 26-11-2019 00:43:58

Yeah, I can argue with it as well data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

What if we have another one and it’s still 52-48 leave? Remainers still won’t be happy.

If it’s 52-48 the other way Leavers will just say we don’t accept it, the same as Remainers have been saying the last three years.

Unless it’s by a very clear majority why would anyone take notice? And does really think things have changed that much? I dare say you’ve got a small percentage that have changed sides, both ways but most people are just more entrenched.

Goooner Publish time 26-11-2019 00:43:59

Apart from the Libdems who have said they would not respect another vote to leave

Liquid101 Publish time 26-11-2019 00:44:00

So from nobody can argue with it, we’ve actually found lots of people can argue with it data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

So another referendum solves nothing.

We need to leave, then if people want another one at a later date to rejoin, that’s fine with me.

Liquid101 Publish time 26-11-2019 00:44:01

As always, the Lib Dem’s can say what they want because they’ll never have to act on their promises.

Goooner Publish time 26-11-2019 00:44:02

I’m not talking about remain vs leave - I mean a referendum on which version of leaving. Mays Deal (because so far it’sthe only WA we have) vs No Deal.

If you don’t like May’s Deal, just vote for no Deal

Bl4ckGryph0n Publish time 26-11-2019 00:44:03

How is that the point?

A referendum solves nothing if we have parties saying they won't respect the result.

Liquid101 Publish time 26-11-2019 00:44:04

Now that I’d agree with.

Don’t see it ever happening though.

More likely Remain vs May’s deal
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